From my blog stats I see that a few people have gotten here by searching for something having to do with ibanking (actually, the last one was “ibanking hate my job,” which is pretty sad). I’ve only actually mentioned investment banking once, I think, so random Google searches win again. Even though this blog has nothing to do with ibanking, I’m going to write about it, because I have an opinion on it.
When I graduated college, my boyfriend of the time, whom I’ll call IBanker, went into ibanking (bet you didn’t see that one coming!). I’d been with him for over two years by then, so I’d known about his career plan. He moved to New York City, where basically every ibanking job in the world is, and started with a very good investment bank. I debated following him there, but after a not-abundantly-fruitful job search, I ended up moving somewhere else.
We both thought two years was a decently solid base for a relationship, plus I thought I’d probably be moving in about a year to pursue medical school or something else, so the long-distance aspect seemed like a temporary thing, and not a big problem. And at first, it wasn’t. He couldn’t get away often for entire weekends because of work, but there’s very easy public transportation to NYC from here, so for the first few months I was fine with visiting him. We probably had about a 5:1 me:him ratio for weekend visits, but it seemed okay to me. He would take as much time off as possible when I came down on weekends (though I’d occasionally have to go with him into the office to finish something quick), and during the week we’d talk on the phone almost every day.
As time went on, IBanker got bigger projects at work. They were major deals, and I knew his resume was getting more prestigious by the minute, but it also meant he started working 100-hour weeks or so. (Yes, I know, around the same number of hours that a first-year medical intern works. Great.) Anyway, our phone calls all began to occur while he was at the office. Our conversations were punctuated with things like, “Hold on one sec while I figure out this spreadsheet” and “Why isn’t this working?! — oh, I see.” IBanker began to have very little to talk about besides work. Meanwhile, I was expanding into my new life and new job, meeting new people, going out to explore the neighborhood, etc., and had less and less to talk about with him.
Occasionally I would suggest that maybe ibanking wasn’t the best career path. I’d brought it up a few times while we were still in college, and now that he was in the thick of it, I tried not to whine, though who knows if I succeeded. I remember one of our conversations about it pretty clearly. It probably started off the way most of our conversations proceeded — him complaining about having to work so much, and how much it sucked, basically.
“I hate to see you this unhappy,” I said. “I wish you would just quit and do something else, or at least tell your supervisors they’re giving you too much work.”
“I can’t do that,” he said. “If I complain, they’ll think I’m slacking off. And I have an agreement with them to work two years.”
“But haven’t other people quit before their two years were up?”
“Well, yeah,” IBanker admitted, “but it’s frowned upon.”
“Who cares? You hate your job, and you hate every minute you’re in the office. You should just find something else as soon as possible.”
“You don’t understand,” he said. “I have to do this. My parents worked and sacrificed so much to give me the opportunity to go to college and have a great career. And I want to be sure to make enough money to support them when they get older, and to support a family with you one day.”
“I don’t care about how much money you make, you know,” I reminded him. “I never have. Besides, I’m probably going to be a doctor, so I don’t think we’ll have to worry about money in the future, either. I don’t like seeing you like this.”
“But I’m doing this for you.”
That phrase. Those words. I couldn’t believe he’d just gone there.
“Never say that again,” I said. “You are most certainly not doing this for me. You may be doing this for your parents, or yourself, but I would never have asked you to do this. I would much rather you be happy and fulfilled than slaving away at something you dislike. You are not doing this for me.”
Around January or February I realized I had mentally checked out of the relationship. We had nothing to talk about anymore, very little in common, even though we’d been together for so long. I didn’t see him often and when we were able to get together, IBanker preferred to stay in and catch up on much-needed sleep, though he’d go out if I really coaxed him. It just wasn’t the same as it once was, partially due to distance, and partially due to a lack of connection. We’d grown apart because we didn’t have any time to work on staying together.
A few weeks after my realization, IBanker and I broke up. Do I think that his job was the main the reason for our breakup? Yep. It just sucked away all of his time. Maybe I should’ve been more supportive of him, and more patient, but I don’t have it in me to wait two years before I can talk to my boyfriend on a regular basis about things that aren’t his job.
Apparently, investment banking is one of the most prestigious post-college careers to pursue. People consider it a badge of honor to make it through two grueling years of grunt work and ridiculous hours. I don’t see it that way, possible comparisons to first-year medical internship notwithstanding. I don’t think ibanking is worth it, unless you love it.
Anonymous said,
June 23, 2006 at 11:48 pm
Going through the exact situation (girlfriend of 3 years, currently working in IB looking to move to NYC very soon). I’m hoping it will all work out, but this post is like a splash of cold reality. Anything you wish you would have done differently to save your relationship?
lackofdecision said,
June 26, 2006 at 12:13 am
I’m sorry if my post is disheartening to you — it’s not really meant to be, just … well, maybe it’s meant to be, a little. As the non-ibanker, I think it would’ve helped a lot if I were in the same city as him. It also might’ve been nice to live with him, because then we wouldn’t have had to worry as much when he got home at 4 or 5AM — at least I still would’ve seen him, heh.
But, to be quite honest, it’s possible that he and I just weren’t meant to be, as I’m a lot happier in my new relationship. So if I were really, really intent on keeping up the relationship, I do think it could’ve been done. It takes a lot of patience and dedication on both sides, but I think it is certainly possible with the right people. So good luck
Anonymous said,
June 26, 2006 at 10:38 pm
Right now it seems to be a topic of all of our fights (moving) and it’ll be tough being apart for a year while she finishes school. I know, it sounds like we’re doomed, but as I’m sure you felt the same way, there’s alot invested in this relationship that I don’t want to toss away without giving a good try. Anyways, good luck with med school.
banker said,
July 16, 2006 at 10:53 pm
Hey,
To tell you the truth, I am a banker, gf for 6 years, and just finished my first year, we went through the same things, i wonder sometimes, is it really worth it, i used the same lines as we are doing it for the future etc. I don’t think I’m selfish, maybe I am, but I look at banking like a good career path, yes at times I hate it, but its to be financially secure and be able to build a good future. But when you seperate with your GF over time, you wonder if its really worth it. You just try to hold things together, working long hours, and trrying to put in the time to your GF.
Only time will tell if i can hold on to the job and the GF for the next year…
cheers.
Anyway,
Kim said,
August 8, 2006 at 4:57 am
No job is worth it, unless you love it.
Greg said,
December 16, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Seems like no one has posted on this website for about 18 months.
Regardless, here is my take: the whole “no job is worth it unless you love it” is BS. I bet the majority of teachers in the US – most of whom are underpaid – don’t love their jobs. Is their job worth it? What if there were no teachers because they woke up one morning and said, “I don’t love my job. I’m going to quit.” Pathetic.
Loving your job is not the most important thing…the important thing is to find value in what you do. I believe a mentality like yours shows weak-mindedness. If you were to marry, do you think you would always love your husband? Doubtful. There will be times you are in love and times you aren’t. The same is with any job. You’ll love parts (compensation, experience, exit opportunities) and you’ll hate parts (hours, stress, lack of control).
Katy said,
June 21, 2008 at 7:54 pm
I think Greg has a good point. My question is, who in the right mind would want to work in a job that can not offer any valuable time to the people in his life whether they be the gf/bf family or friends? Yes, you are financially secure… but in the end, there are millions of people who still live comfortably without having to do IB as a job. I relate to your story ‘lackofdecision’ and I don’t know what to do. My current bf has recently started IB and i’ve known him about 2 yrs before then. I sometimes wonder if I can hold it out till he ”finishes” (2-3 more yrs).. the only reason why his ‘lack of time’ issue for me isn’t as bad is because I’m studying architecture and that takes a lot of my time. So even if we do break up, it’s not like I’d have time for a new bf… but being in this r’ship still sucks at the same time. My bf often tells me to look on the positive side of things.. what positive side of things? positive that I get to talk to him when I’m half asleep past midnight, is it positive that he says he’ll do something then later he can’t when he has to either go into work or sleep because he had to work the night before? I constantly get disappointed. So I think to myself, is it that I expect to much.. because I don’t think wanting to spend time with my bf is expecting much at all.. one whole day a week is what I’m asking for.. is that too much to expect.
ok i’ll stop rambling
Anonymous said,
July 23, 2008 at 9:48 pm
my boyfriend just got an offer at a big i-bank…he’s choosing whether to go in to coverage (more money, more prestige, more time–those horrible hours) or something else (i forget what it’s called) where he works somewhat normal hours but the other perks aren’t really there.
i want him to do what’s good for him, but god, i’m so scared. we’re planning to live together next year, and we were so excited for life after college…but now i’m terrified (not just because of this post–because i’ve heard what it’s like, and because of how scared he is.)
this is just so ridiculous, this life. how do people live like this? what are we doing to each other?
Katy said,
September 25, 2008 at 12:48 am
well the horrible hours havn’t changed.. in fact they’ve gotten worse. if you don’t to see your boy friend , i’d say stay with him
Anonymous said,
March 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I am going through the same thing…yet another IB girlfriend. I have been with my boyfriend for 4 years. We are both very ambitious, but at times I wonder if the 2 or more years apart while we are trying to succeed in life are worth it? Ultimately, we have decided that it is, and have stuck to it. This really depends on the couple and each person’s goals. Do you care more about losing 2 to 5 years worth of memories than a lifetime of financial security? If no, then go for it, if yes then it might not work out. But you have to stick to it.
We are almost done our first year. Just like any challenge in life, the closer to the end the more you can see the benefits. My advice to anyone worried about their relationship with an investment banker is to be aware of your goals in life. If your goal is financial stability, suck it up. It will all work out. If not, it’s not meant to be. Life is not mean to be easy, but better things come at larger prices.
Cheers-
Anonymous said,
April 13, 2010 at 8:01 pm
maybe if you weren’t doing the whole med school thing, you could have made more effort to make the relationship last. granted, it takes two to tangle, so i’m not saying it’s all your fault.
oh well, i guess it just wasn’t meant to be.
Caro said,
June 25, 2010 at 12:11 am
WOW- I feel like some of us are living/ have lived parallel lives.
I’m also an i-banker girlfriend. In my case, I have been with my bf for 3 years now. The first two years we were residing in different states (4 hours apart) and we were very much living the “5:1 me:him ratio for weekend visits” (as the original blogger noted). This worked out pretty well because I was working full time while completing a degree….so we were both super busy and driven and made it through the 2 years like a roller-coaster- we were constantly traveling, working, sleeping, partying…it was non-stop movement…. without much examination- just kept rolling.
A year ago, I finally decided to move to the same city and have been working here ever since. I did not know what to expect when I first arrived because I knew that the long work hours weren’t going to stop, but I had hopes that while living in the same city we would get to see each other at least more frequently than doing the long distance thing- which we have (but no as much as I’d like).
More recently, after 3 years of this slightly “disconnected” life- I am starting to get tired. I have started to examine/ reflect and make mental decisions about my future and what I want/ need…I definitely associate with a lot of the comments stated ….
Katy: “my bf often tells me to look on the positive side of things.. (I honestly still can’t seem to reap the rewards as of yet), “I constantly get disappointed.” I sometimes say the same thing: “one whole day a week is what I’m asking for.. is that too much to expect?”
As Lack of Decision pointed out, I am realizing that I am starting to “mentally check out of the relationship.” “We ha(ve) nothing to talk about anymore, very little in common, even though we’d been together for so long. I didn’t see him often and when we were able to get together, IBanker preferred to stay in and catch up on much-needed sleep, though he’d go out if I really coaxed him. It just wasn’t the same as it once was, partially due to distance, and partially due to a lack of connection. We’d grown apart because we didn’t have any time to work on staying together.” (I agree with this verbatim- that’s why I’m reposting because its amazing how you were able to put into words how I feel yet wasn’t able to verbalize).
Anyways, I feel I’m very very confused- a part of me is ready to move on and just meet other fish in the water who can devote more time to building a relationship but at the same time I am always hopeful that “things will get better” and that the worst part is over. I am in love with my i-banker, but I also wonder- is it worth it? Will it ever change. I am very independent (financially, emotionally, physically etc.) but I truly don’t want to be a “single” mother/wife (with non-existent non-stop working husband) sometime in the future.
I might just be venting and writing this to myself (I truly believe in therapeutic writing), but I’d love to hear if you have any insights/ pointer on things I can do to save the relationship, move one, etc….
Anonymous Girlfriend said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:14 am
I read the posts and it sounds all to familar. I was searching for some type of advice on being in this type of relationship from other people in one. I am new in my relationship. I didn’t know what to expect until I started dating my IB bf. He kind of didn’t tell me how things would be. I realize now he must of chosen not to mention how things would be because he didn’t want to loose me. I know he loves me and I love him. We have only been dating for roughly a year. Can someone tell me if things get better after this 2 year time frame that is spoken of? Also what is this 2 yr. period?
Yet another IB gf said,
May 12, 2011 at 7:12 am
Everything everyone mentioned above is true true true!! I’ve fallen for an IB and it is a blessing and a curse. I have a shell of the man I met a year ago and yes, I’ve “mentally checked out” because we have less and less in common every day. I’m so tired of waiting for him to be free. He’s doesn’t take nearly any of the initiative in our relationship that he did I’n the past.
This has been such a month of reevaluation for me because Anonymous is right: a lifetime of stability I’n exchange for 2-3 years of loneliness I’n a relationship may or may not be worth it. An insurmountable amount of trust has to be in a relationship like this for it to succeed. I know it would be worth if if the relationship was stronger I’n the end, but what if we both find after our second or third year is over that we’ve both changed and don’t want to be together?
Guest said,
August 15, 2011 at 3:50 am
I find some of the comments here quite selfish. I am a female i-banker, so I know how hard the job is and that when we are still in the office at 2am the only thing we want is to get back home next to the one we love. People only do that job for a short period of time anyway, so if you really love the person please do stick around, and not just for the money.
Anonymous said,
August 15, 2011 at 4:41 am
As stated in the last post “people only do this job for a short period of time.” Well my question is then what? My boyfriend got laid off. What can I suggest to him so he won’t feel discouraged? Any suggestions?
stuttgart city girl said,
December 29, 2011 at 9:43 am
Boyfriend wants to go into iBanking, and reading this has got me worried. He said “If you want someone with lots of time for you, who will always be around to talk to you, then date a teacher. Not a banker. I will be working ridiculous hours for the first three years, but it’ll get better as I get older, and we’ll be comfortable.”
Is there anything I could do now, before it all starts, to reduce or “cushion” the impact on our relationship? iB girlfriends/former iB girlfriends, is there anything you would say to your past selves? Anything you would have done differently?
Anonymous said,
April 26, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Yes, dating an i-banker is challenging, there is not a doubt about it – none. How do I know? I am about to marry an i-banker whom I have dated through his three years as an analyst in i-banking. It worked out fine for us. I was busy with a double major in college and wonderful friends with whom I spent all the time I did not spend with my boyfriend. I think it really helped that I had an “alternate” life completely removed from him, it sounds awful but it worked. When he had a lighter day at work, I would drive 30 min to see him (the proximity helps, but too much can ruin it) and we made it work for 3 yrs. It was far from ideal, but compared to my friends with long distance relationships, it wasnt bad at all.
He would always tell me that whenever things got really, really, really bad at work – he would think of me and that gave him strength to make it through. I beleive him 100% because thats how I made it through my two years as an i-banking analysts as well. With all its demanding attributes, i-banking is, after all, just a job. It shouldn’t make or break relationships. Love (yep, thats cheesy, nuptials in air), support, and compromise will get those of you who belong together through it.
I dont recommend dating a banker, I actually would tell my fellow analysts that the girls they were dating were either gold diggers, had low self-esteem, or would soon leave them. That said, if you are already too far down that path (i met my fiance in school before the banking yrs), create a life that is not too dependent on him to avoid the inevitable disappointments, which I had to endure and create too many times. And finally, cherish all the times you DO send together.